Tonight I thought I would pull some information from St Chads Parish Records from between 1759 and 1798 as it’s surprising how much information you can get from them. Unfortunately the majority of the earlier records don’t have an occupation listed for the father and you definitely want to avoid a ‘B’ in the margin ;-) I will cover the rest on Sunday as I don’t want to bore you too much in one go when I can spread it out.
At the time Thornton covered a much larger area and included Cleveleys and Fleetwood although they seem to be quite sparsely populated if the maps are to be believed. Having said that most of the records do state for example ‘Ritheram in Thornton’ if it isn’t actually Thornton but I suppose it comed down to what mood the vicar was in on the day. These all say Thornton.
The dates below are when they baptized children and their occupation is listed so doesn’t actually show how long their working lives were. The majority of the other entries say husbandman which generally means someone who works on the land but here are some of the more interesting ones.
Inn Keepers
There are two in keepers listed .. John Hull in 1762/3 and Anthony Salthouse in 1784. This could be relating to two different occupants of one pub as the dates are 20 years apart. So which pub ? I don’t know the date of the original Bay Horse but strongly suspect that it has grown from a small single story building to what we see today. It could also be the earlier Garners Arms which stood alongside the current pub (c1900). Or it could be an old inn that stood at Skippool which is listed on the 1841 census as the Bozle Inn although this might say Bozle Farm as the handwriting is bad and I might be completely wrong.
Blacksmiths
This has surprised me the most as there are actually 6 listed between 1782 and 1795.
1782 – ........Thomas Eaves
1783-1789 – John Carter
1783 – ........Robert Collinson
1787-1794 – John Backhouse
1789 – ........Robert Dickinson
1792-1795 – John Thornton
Once again they might not have been working all at the same time but the dates seem pretty tight to me and as they were all producing children they could have been. In 1841 the Bay horse is listed as the Bay Horse Beer House and the occupant is Robert Eaves .. blacksmith. Perhaps this is the son or grandson of Thomas Eaves above?
I’ve been out all day so apologies for the rushed post tonight .. I hope it makes sense.
At the time Thornton covered a much larger area and included Cleveleys and Fleetwood although they seem to be quite sparsely populated if the maps are to be believed. Having said that most of the records do state for example ‘Ritheram in Thornton’ if it isn’t actually Thornton but I suppose it comed down to what mood the vicar was in on the day. These all say Thornton.
The dates below are when they baptized children and their occupation is listed so doesn’t actually show how long their working lives were. The majority of the other entries say husbandman which generally means someone who works on the land but here are some of the more interesting ones.
Inn Keepers
There are two in keepers listed .. John Hull in 1762/3 and Anthony Salthouse in 1784. This could be relating to two different occupants of one pub as the dates are 20 years apart. So which pub ? I don’t know the date of the original Bay Horse but strongly suspect that it has grown from a small single story building to what we see today. It could also be the earlier Garners Arms which stood alongside the current pub (c1900). Or it could be an old inn that stood at Skippool which is listed on the 1841 census as the Bozle Inn although this might say Bozle Farm as the handwriting is bad and I might be completely wrong.
Blacksmiths
This has surprised me the most as there are actually 6 listed between 1782 and 1795.
1782 – ........Thomas Eaves
1783-1789 – John Carter
1783 – ........Robert Collinson
1787-1794 – John Backhouse
1789 – ........Robert Dickinson
1792-1795 – John Thornton
Once again they might not have been working all at the same time but the dates seem pretty tight to me and as they were all producing children they could have been. In 1841 the Bay horse is listed as the Bay Horse Beer House and the occupant is Robert Eaves .. blacksmith. Perhaps this is the son or grandson of Thomas Eaves above?
I’ve been out all day so apologies for the rushed post tonight .. I hope it makes sense.
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Melanie,
ReplyDeletei would just like to say thank,s for taking the time to do what you are doing here, i learn something new every day and it all makes for some interesting reading. you should write a book.
Could be wrong about this, because I've only just woken up and there's still a large amount of Speckled Hen in my system from last night, but the Bozle Inn was actually called the Ouzel Inn (I think) and stood next door to the current Skippool Hotel...or whatever it's called.
ReplyDeleteHi Mike
ReplyDeleteThanks very much for that.
Hi Brian
Now thats interesting. I wrote the post in a hurry last night and didn't check my reasons for doubting the 'Inn'.
In the census it appears:
Skippool
Skippool
Skippool
Bozle/Ouzle Inn
Bozle/Ouzle Inn
Bozle/Ouzle Inn
Bozle/Ouzle Inn
Poolside
Thornton Lane
Thornton Hall
The thing is there is no innkeeper at any of the entries .. the 4 entries are an agricultural labourer, a boat merchant, Industrial and a Sawyer with 11 people living there in total.
But on the other hand the census enumerator doesn't use the word 'farm' at all on this return. For Gaskell Farm he just writes 'Gaskell's' so thats interesting.
Having looked at the writing again it could at a stretch say Ouzle. I've added a pic of the writing in the main post above .. have clipped it close as this is the holy grail of copyright!
clipped it close as this is the holy grail of copyright!
ReplyDeletewe promise not to tell honest.
Melanie,
ReplyDeletePerhaps the cartographer had been hitting the Boozle when he compiled the map.
Would the Skippool Hotel be the River Wyre Hotel?
ReplyDeleteThere were Stables round the bac and farm auctions were held twice a week,Tuesdays and Thursdays Horses one day Farm equiment the other.The Landlord was a Sir Harry Banks a well known Auctioner and Estate Agent.I could tell you a few tales about him.!!!!!!!
Melanie Re; the Bay Horse being a Smithy,
in the 30s there was always a large number of carts and farm equipment at the house on the right of whats now the Bay horse Car Park, never smelt burning hoof though.
James...the River Wyre Hotel...that's the name I was after, not the Skippool Hotel. I couldn't remember what it was called. Like I say, too much Speckled Hen still travelling round my system.
ReplyDeleteAh I see where you mean now. The River Wyre Hotel came under Poulton in the census and this one is in Thornton next in line to Poolside Cottage. On the 1841 map it shows a building in the footprint of what is now Thornton Lodge so perhaps this could be an earlier pub.
ReplyDeleteThe early pubs usually had 'maintenance' facilities .. either a blacksmith or wheelwright. A bit like an early motorway service station for passing travellers.
PS .. I need to get back to have a good look at that tithe map to see what it says on there.
ReplyDeleteRE; Thornton Lodge, dont know if this helps, in the 40s there was a stable block at the rear, an aunt of mine worked there when it was a guest house and hotel,she lived in a flat above what was the old stable block, used to have my weekly bath there when i lived on the boat.
ReplyDeleteHi James
ReplyDeleteThanks for that. I'm sure it will come in useful.
Hi melanie just got some info about Oozle Inn/cottage.
ReplyDeleteMortgage to secure £1,400: (i) Joseph Wilding as in DDX 245/46 above, (ii) William Mason of Bolton, gent -- dwelling house and 2 closes (3 ac. 1r. 6p.) warehouse, yard and gardens (2r. ½p.), 2 closes formerly part of a close called Ramles Field with a warehouse (1½ ac.) a dwelling house, yard and gardens (1r. 22p.) and an adjoining cottage called Oozle Cottage (37 p.) all in Skippool --
29 Apr. 1878.
If Ramles Field is on the tithe map of skippool that would give a good indication of where the Inn was at that time.
Regards J D-A
That's very interesting and I will have a look when I go to the records office next.
ReplyDeleteThere are so many things I want to look at but I think I am going to have to spend a whole day on the Tithe Map .. it's huge !!!!!
Just to add I will take a pic of the whole thing next time I go so you can see the size of it.
ReplyDeleteDo you have any more information on the blacksmith 1783-1789 john carter, I believe that would be my GGGGGrandfather, he and wife Alice moved to Blackpool/Layton around 1790.
ReplyDeleteThank you
Jwcarter@mail.com