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Thursday 25 June 2009

The Bay Horse Blacksmiths Perhaps ? ...

Firstly a lady on the Thornton Cleveleys Forum is trying to locate Rose Bud Cottages in Thornton. They seem to be between Gaskells Farm and Marsh Mill and any help would be great.

I’m doing another page for the Knights, Noblemen and Landowners section of the site at the moment .. Roger de Poitou is now on. I was going to look at Earl Tostig but some records (and Brian) correctly state that he died in 1066 at the Battle of Stamford Bridge whilst others clearly mention him after this. Have decided to do Huck (de Singleton) instead he seems much easier to trace and couldn’t resist after seeing him referred to as Huck (Fuccus) de Singleton. Well it tickled me.

I’ve been contacted by John after mentioning a blacksmith at the Bay Horse and he remembers a building which used to stand just behind the pub which he and his mates used as a den. It was brick built and looked very old and was covered in Ivy.

Click on the pics to enlarge them.

This is a 1960’s aerial photo courtesy of John and Mario Maps.















And a modern map with where I think the building was .. ish.



















This is John’s excellent drawing of the layout of the building and it’s a very strange layout. There were no obvious steps down to the lower floor so perhaps a ladder was used.




















The mysterious thing is that it isn’t shown on any of the OS maps from 1840 – 1912 but quite clearly it was there and as John said it was very old. Perhaps it had been derelict for a while and was just wasn’t noted .. I will have to have a look at the 1932 map next time I go to the Library. I have no idea if this layout would show a Blacksmiths shop but being next to the dyke (which is a main dyke here) would provide water for whatever was going on and the large fire in the corner could have been the forge.

Another theory could be that this was the old brewery for the pub which also would need water (don’t fancy dyke beer myself) and a fire. Perhaps the vats stood on the lower level.

This is one where we’ll probably never know but interesting never the less.

A

22 comments:

  1. Thanks for posting Melanie, I think you are spot on with your modern location. As i said the foundation are still there and can be seen over the fence from the carpark.

    John D-A

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  2. Oh I thought they would have been covered by the carpark. I'll go and see if I can get some pics over the weekend.

    It would be rude not to use the facilities whist I'm there. I'm sure you'd only be able to see them from the beer garden .. for sure !

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  3. NO smithy there in the 30s, went to school across the rd,with a gang of other farmers lads and lass's If there had been a smithy at least one of us would have known,and seen horses going there,the boys play ground was directly opposite the Bay Horse we would have smelt the bedding in of shoes. Same in the 40s,my mates and i were all connected with farming and would have been aware of any smithy there.If there had been i would have taken mowing machine blades ect; there to be riveted.

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  4. Adition; dont think you'd get a shire through that door.

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  5. sounds like it,s still worth a little digging, to find out what it was.

    PS
    we may not here from brian for a little while he is having problems with BT so no internet.

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  6. Hi James

    The blacksmiths was there in 1841 but is not shown in 1861 so it would have been long gone by the 30's I think.

    Hi Mike

    Brian said he was having problems this morning. After the problems I've have recently I can sympathise. Having no internet is horrible.

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  7. HI H.H.,That large white building to the right of the car park on the modern map is were the carts used to be in the 30s,

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